Timeline for Does claiming someone is dog-whistling go against "assuming good faith"?
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| Oct 31, 2019 at 22:56 | comment | added | Mark | "New York media" is a great example of the hazards of calling out apparent dog-whistles: New York City is where all the big-name newspapers in the United States are published (New York Times, Wall Street Journal, etc.). Is a reference to the "New York media" an anti-Semitic dog-whistle, or a reference to the closest thing the country has to a "newspaper of record"? | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 15:53 | history | edited | divibisan | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Added “new york media” example that might be more familiar to americans
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| Oct 15, 2019 at 15:46 | comment | added | LаngLаngС | Hm, I don't think this East Coast thing is completely German exclusive Smearing Steil With False Anti-Semitism Charge… (I don't endorse here any side from that article, but in any case it shows a nice trail of controversy around the topic) | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 15:36 | comment | added | LаngLаngС | @divibisan If you like, add your example as well with an edit (the RationalWiki has even more for 'controlled' etc) | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 15:34 | comment | added | LаngLаngС | @Machavity Exactly my point. Invented example shows: linked to a wiki that already refs 'East Coast' as AS code multiple times. It may be perfectly innocent, strictly geographic, but it can be used as the most vile code. Perhaps indeed more for Germans than Americans (haven't checked) but since we are an international community this gets even more important. We shouldn't let any German antisemites spread their code in secretly loaded posts here, just coz we do not recognise it immediately. But Germans might perfectly well discuss the Atlantic seaboard here (when about politics?!)? | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 14:59 | comment | added | tim | @Machavity It's not localized to some Germans, the domestic security agency informs about "Ostküste" as antisemitic dog whistle, as do the German wikipedia, national newspapers such as the Zeit, the bpb, and organizations fighting against antisemitism such as the Amadeu Antonio Stiftung. Dog whistles don't necessarily have to be based on correct geographical facts. But it does seem to be a specifically German dog whistle; US examples might be "globalist cabal" or "New York media" as divibisan mentioned. | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 14:39 | comment | added | divibisan | I think “East Coast” might be too German specific. A better example would be to use “New York” instead of “East Coast”. I have definitely and repeatedly encountered people using “New York” as a dog whistle for Jewish, but as @Machavity said “East Coast” is much more vague. A better dog whistle here (and one I’ve encountered many times) is people talking about “The New York media”, even though many of the organizations are not from New York (CNN is based in Atlanta). | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 13:36 | comment | added | Machavity |
The United Nations is organised from the American East Coast. Thank you for illustrating what I meant in my post. The problem with this is as a "dog whistle" is this is mostly a statement of fact. As a native English speaker, I simply read this as "The UN does its work on the US East Coast". When you made your jump from fact to dog whistle, you completely lost me. Either the Germans have a gross misunderstanding of US demographics (the US East Coast is not primarily Jewish), or this is a highly localized "dog whistle", specific to some Germans.
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| Oct 15, 2019 at 13:19 | history | edited | LаngLаngС | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 15, 2019 at 13:11 | history | edited | lazarusL | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 15, 2019 at 13:01 | comment | added | LаngLаngС | @lazarusL Thx. Now that you mention it, likely. I would probably include a link in such a comment that explains the actual dog-whistle used in the post. // For the text, I'd use your very suggestion if the 'who uses it' (alt-right? is too specific, group is larger, maybe works if an eg is set before?) is modified and the 'America-advantage' angle would be just dropped (too leading for most OPs. The example was meant to show that OP may have been really talking 'just geography': where is the headquarter?). If you agree on that, please edit the post directly. | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 12:50 | comment | added | lazarusL | A better approach is, "'The United Nations is organised from the American East Coast.' could be misinterpreted as an anti-semetic dog whistle, as this ambiguous language is used by the alt-right to imply some sort of evil Jewish conspiracy. We definitely don't want to allow for that kind of interpretation of your answer. Can we change the language to 'The United Nations headquarters is on the East Coast of the United States, giving America an advantage when it comes to framing diplomatic questions?'" | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 12:49 | comment | added | lazarusL | "This post contains a common anti-semitic dog whistle. That is a problem. If that wasn't your intention please clarify the text by re-phrasing it." I really don't like this approach. Someone unfamiliar with anti-semitic groups and how they code language has no idea what you're talking about after reading this comment. This could lead to frustration. | |
| Oct 15, 2019 at 11:18 | history | answered | LаngLаngС | CC BY-SA 4.0 |