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The answer was removed by the community, three trusted users to be exact. From what I can see, the removal is under review and has gathered one pending undelete vote.

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    That is thwarting the will of the OP. And censorship. The accepted answer to one of this users' question was deleted as well. The link to the "answer" does not link to the post asked about. Where can a user vote to un-delete the accepted answer? – guest271314 Jan 17 at 15:33
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    @guest271314 because you don't have enough rep (2k) to see deleted posts. Also, only 4k users can vote to undelete an answer. – Andrew T. Jan 17 at 15:37
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    @AndrewT. The accepted answer should not have been deleted in the first place. – guest271314 Jan 17 at 15:39
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    @guest271314 calling it censorship is a stretch. Stack exchange is a private Q/A platform for specific questions and answers with high quality standards. Not a public forum. – Magisch Jan 17 at 18:39
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    @Magisch "Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient" as determined by a government[1] or private institution,[2] for example, corporate censorship." Censorship is not exclusive to government institutions. – guest271314 Jan 17 at 18:42
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    @guest271314 assuming that definition of censorship every form of moderation on any platform ever is censorship, and thus the word becomes meaningless. We regularly delete Not-An-Answer posts because they're not answers and we want to keep the answer section to answers to the question only, for instance. – Magisch Jan 17 at 18:48
  • @Magisch The question does not make the allegation that "every form of moderation on any platform ever is censorship". In this case, and several others at Politics SE the allegation of censorship as to the deleted accepted answer is direct and unambiguous. Who is "we"? Do you speak for any other user at Politics SE besides yourself? – guest271314 Jan 17 at 18:52
  • @guest271314 I use "we" colloquially often as in to refer to conduct normally occuring on the network in general, e.g when explaining mechanics or common community behaviors. It is not intended that you assume I speak for any others, but when I do make these comments I often have the goal to explain to people asking on meta (like you did) as to why the actions they're questioning or inquiring about were taken by the community. An example is "we often delete NAA answers" as a shorthand to refer to conduct by me and other members of the site(s) where our goals align. – Magisch Jan 17 at 18:55
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    @Magisch That is not correct language if you are only speaking for yourself. "We" could infer an undisclosed conspiracy by certain groups of users to perform certain actions. To avoid ambiguity perhaps speak only for yourself? You cannot expect readers to parse when you are engaging in direct communication or "colloquially" speaking. For example, "cheaper by the dozen" is a "colloquial" English term that actually refers to plantation owners forcing prisoners of war to impregnate their mother, resulting in a "dozen" "cheap" children with severe birth defects. – guest271314 Jan 17 at 18:59
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    @guest271314 fair enough, although that doesn't change the valditiy or accuracy of what I said regarding to how community moderation expresses itself here. – Magisch Jan 17 at 19:01
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    @guest271314 - shortest answer to this questions seems to be some people have been offended by it. My answer to this question has been deleted too, apparently because I un-edited an edit to my answer singling out one of the sources ans white-nationalist organization based on SPLC assesment based on 4 comments of it's president and other values. Unfortunately that's how it works: enough people don't like the answer, they can get rid of it virtually on a whim, without any way to appeal it. That's fine, but it simply means I'm deleting my SE Politics account in 72 hrs (give or take). – user10424 Jan 21 at 12:43
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    Ironically, there is a 50+ voted answer that did EXACTLY what the critics of deleted answer alleged (except, offered zero evidence). Yet, no delete votes on that insulting post. – user4012 Feb 16 at 16:00
  • The answer now has 2 undelete votes. With one more it will be undeleted and visible to all the users who have an interest in this very popular question. – TheLeopard 2 days ago
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    @guest271314, Re "cheaper by the dozen": I'm interested in the etymology, but it's off-topic to ask about here. It is on-topic over at English.SE, so please have a look at “Cheaper by the dozen” phrase origin? – agc yesterday
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The answer was deleted because it provided sources describing the negative effects of illegal immigration on the American public and other sources describing the benefits off illegal immigration and mass immigration to powerful factions within the American political system, despite the harm these phenomena cause to the American public.

Three 'trusted users' deleted the answer to prevent other users from seeing those sources and the conclusions drawn from them.

There are certain statements which offend the political convictions of influential SE users, and these answers get downvoted and deleted despite being informative, relevant, well-sourced, and compliant with SE's code of conduct.

These users effectively function as unofficial gatekeepers, preventing the community at large from seeing information which could cast doubt on the validity of the gatekeepers' political convictions, very possibly without the knowledge of moderators or administrators.

In this particular case, the trusted users abused the trust SE placed in them.

Here is SE's guidance on when to delete answers:

You may vote to delete answers in the following cases:

The answer is extremely low quality: There is little to no scope for improvement. The answer doesn't attempt to answer the question; it may be a comment or a separate question altogether.

The answer in the border wall question did not meet either of these criteria, and therefore should not have been deleted. But, they did it anyway.

The solution to this problem is to use SE for its stated purpose: asking and answering well-reasoned questions. When a user has enough reputation, he or she can then provide his or her input on answer deletions and undeletions.

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    This may be contentious, and very probably an unpopular meta-answer, but it also may be true –– or not true. I can't tell! Because: Please indicate how the obvious question here is answered: 'And how do you know that?' (Given your rep. I can't see the deleted A, was it your own?) In other words, please indicate how you come to your conclusions and assertions? Have you a stake in this, in form of 'that answer'? – LangLangC Feb 15 at 22:59
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    @LangLangC Yes, it was my answer. The undelete vote than Yannis mentioned in his answer is also mine. No can know, but this is my conclusion based deductive logic. My answer 1) did not violate SE code of conduct, 2) was relevant and well-sourced, 3) answered the question, and 4) did not meet the criteria for deletion. Yet, it was deleted. This week another of my answers just got a delete vote despite being at positive 30 upvotes, despite not being anywhere close to meeting the criteria for deletion. This pattern led me to my conclusion. I see where you're coming from, though. – TheLeopard Feb 15 at 23:14
  • @LangLangC I know now that anything the gatekeepers don't like stands a good chance of getting deleted, so I answer questions as best I can, support them as best I can, abide by SE's code of conduct, and warn question askers that my answers may be deleted (sometimes those warnings get edited out, too.) – TheLeopard Feb 15 at 23:20
  • Ah. I saw 3 possibilities, random lucky observer of the action unfolding, own stake, or rear-end talking to axe-grind. After the clarification in comment, may I suggest you declare this 'expertise by example' and 'conflict of interest' (both at the same time and weight, am still not judging) to this answer? – LangLangC Feb 15 at 23:20
  • @LangLangC I came across this question by chance (I don't normally read the meta-boards). And, of course, I was there while the action unfolded. My well-researched answer was vociferously condemned, but that's ok because people could just read it then read the opposing points, and come to their own conclusions. But, then 3 trusted users decided to use their delete privileges to make sure no one could even see it. – TheLeopard Feb 15 at 23:27
  • As stated, can't comment on or evaluate the main answer. But for this metaA (as a lucky observer), & in case these comments get nuked (but the answer remains ;) I think including these tidbits would be a good idea. Instead of stating as fact what I can't follow up; I respect differing POVs in most cases, if I can see from where and how this view is formed. – LangLangC Feb 15 at 23:33
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    Without my conclusions from deductive logic, the comment "In this particular case..." and everything below it is verifiable by checking SE's own guidelines. I was very surprised to read in this meta that another user's answer to that question was deleted too. – TheLeopard Feb 15 at 23:38
  • They're doing it again. Anyone who is interested can review this answer. politics.stackexchange.com/questions/8969/… – TheLeopard 2 days ago
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    @TheLeopard That's hardly a comparable situation. Please do not put meta-commentary in your posts. You can only blame your stubbornness for that answer getting removed. – yannis 2 days ago

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