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I wrote a comment on this question

Why do American people or politicians not complain about healthcare?

In which I only stated that "there is no such thing as free healthcare".

The first time I wrote it I gave some arguments on why this is true. It is basic economics and I was born in a country with the so called "free healthcare" so I have both theoretical and empiric knowledge on the matter. The comment was silently deleted despite it had some upvotes and the three remaining comments with the opposite statement remained.

I wrote the comment again, this time with less theory and it was immediately deleted again. This time I took a picture to verify it.

proof

And guess what? It magically disappeared again

deleted

The question is on hold so there is no point in answering.

I'm not accusing anybody but I have to ask. Do we have unchecked political bias on a site that, I think, should be based on freedom of expression. I'm new on the site and if this are the rules of the game I might as well use my time elsewhere.

PD: I'm saving the content of the question in case it is deleted. XD

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    I'm curious what country you are in where healthcare costs more than in the US, since the US spends the most, for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
    – Bryan Krause
    Commented Jul 24, 2019 at 22:57
  • @Byran: Perhaps "cost" includes more than just financial expenses.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jul 26, 2019 at 2:47
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    @BenVoigt I used "cost" as a shorthand for "financial expense": OP actually said "more expensive" and the chart I linked is "expenses"...
    – Bryan Krause
    Commented Jul 26, 2019 at 18:57
  • @BryanKrause: Well, outlawing medicine would certainly lower the financial expenses associated. But that's not a cost I think we should pay.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jul 26, 2019 at 19:19
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    @BenVoigt Who suggested outlawing medicine? devconcept said healthcare in their country (presumably govt-sponsored) was more expensive than in the US; that assertion makes little sense since the US is the most expensive, that's all I'm saying.
    – Bryan Krause
    Commented Jul 26, 2019 at 19:25
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    @BenVoigt That would be interesting insight for OP to respond to my question, but I am not aware of any country where that is the case: support it with an example. For example, see healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/… - only colonoscopies are more expensive in the UK than the US, and the US is substantially more costly on every other measure than other countries.
    – Bryan Krause
    Commented Jul 26, 2019 at 19:38
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    @BenVoigt actually, in many unplanned cases getting healthcare in another EU country as an EU citizen covered via another EU country's system it will be reimbursed so it does show up in the country where one is covered (source). In the example you give where it's needed to go abroad, that's often covered as well, see this.
    – JJJ Mod
    Commented Jul 26, 2019 at 21:05
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    @devconcept You didn't answer my question. The US, despite spending more than other countries, is not anywhere close to having the best health outcomes. Many places with govt-sponsored healthcare have less costs and better outcomes. Clearly the private system does not produce the best care. The quality of the service in the US is unfortunately quite low compared to how much it costs.
    – Bryan Krause
    Commented Jul 29, 2019 at 18:41
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    @devconcept I am not assuming that for profit is worse. I am only comparing the US system to others like in Europe which have a similar cost of living. There is no incentive for profit in delivering good care in the US, only incentive for insurance companies to make as much profit as possible, which means paying doctors less and charging customers more: it is not based on outcomes.
    – Bryan Krause
    Commented Jul 29, 2019 at 19:28
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    @devconcept Given that other countries have government sponsored healthcare and get better outcome for less cost, I don't see the evidence that government intervention will only make it worse. And yes, it will add to taxes, but it will also reduce private healthcare expenditures. If I pay $5000 more taxes and pay $1000 less in premiums plus my employer saves $5000 on my health plan that they can now pay in salary, I come out ahead.
    – Bryan Krause
    Commented Jul 29, 2019 at 19:58
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    I mean, there's no assumption here at all that public single-payer healthcare is cheaper for better; that's literally what the facts of the comparison are. You can whinge about "falling into the trap" or "when reality does not go according to plan" and claim that a state-run healthcare system won't improve anything, but you are simply arguing against the reality that exists now, plan or not.
    – Nij
    Commented Aug 6, 2019 at 10:04
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    Anecdotes are the lowest form of evidence, and worthless when better objective quantitative evidence exists. Speaking as someone who lives in a country with public single-payer healthcare, I'm absolutely sure I'd never live in the USA, to pay more for a worse job done. That's not a decision based on any testimony; it's because that is what the facts tell me would occur. Your comments verge on the ridiculous; you have yet to address these facts and instead provide only repeated sloganeering about socialists and red-herring comparison of the sociological atmosphere of Cuba to the USA and Europe.
    – Nij
    Commented Aug 6, 2019 at 19:49
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    So your argument boils down to being selfish, even though that makes you personally worse off, because something something government is evil god bless the free market.
    – Nij
    Commented Aug 7, 2019 at 5:08
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    That "huge tax increase" replaces the money spent on insurance and the care itself, leaving individuals in largely the same position with most being better off, something you flatly ignore in your diatribe. Clearly you've decided that no possible evidence could support public single-payer healthcare because you first reject all evidence and the second imply that even if it were better, you'd refuse it because it involved the government. There remains no point in continued discussion.
    – Nij
    Commented Aug 7, 2019 at 19:25
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    @devconcept People die from negligence in private healthcare all the time too. By your reasoning, private healthcare must be evil too. You've made it clear your position is one of emotion, not reason. For that reason, I must conclude I cannot reason you out of your position, because reason did not get you into that position.
    – Batman
    Commented Aug 7, 2019 at 21:19

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As shown in your screenshot, the question specifically refers to free healthcare as

"health for free" from payed [sic] taxes

In other words, OP already knows that "free healthcare" is not actually free - especially since their profile indicates that they're from Spain, which also has "free" universal healthcare. So your comment was probably deleted as "not needed", which is a valid reason for deleting comments here on StackExchange. It happens all the time, and I hope you don't take it personally and continue to contribute here.

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    This makes sense... Also please forgive my sense of humor on the question XD
    – devconcept
    Commented Jul 24, 2019 at 20:09
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    I see no evidence that the person asking the question on the main site "already knows that free healthcare is not actually free"... because that would provide an obvious answer to the question they ask of "Why do some people in the USA not complain?", the evidence that they asked the question anyway is that they didn't think about this aspect.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jul 26, 2019 at 2:46
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Your comment was flagged and subsequent deleted twice because it did not fulfill any of the purposes comments should have according to the help center article about the commenting privilege. It did not request clarification from the author, did not provide constructive criticism aimed at improving the question and did not point out any transient meta-information.

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    The first line of the question says this "I am really amazed that in the USA you must pay for healthcare but people do not protest". Maybe in the USA some people know "there is no free healthcare" and this is why this is not a big deal. I think this could be relevant and it could actually lead to an answer, quoting: "Add relevant but minor or transient information to a post". How is a comment like this irrelevant?
    – devconcept
    Commented Jul 24, 2019 at 17:16

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