This answer was improperly deleted, with the stated reason: "spam or rude or abusive":


It is neither rude nor spam. I can't undelete it because it says it was deleted by a moderator. It is sourced.

I wish to comment on the answer to ask for references for 'IQ as climate indicator' and also to ask why USA, Australia, Spain have high urbanization rates but low violence.

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    "It is sourced" No, it is not. It contains links. That does not mean it is sourced. Neither link supports any of the claims presented in the answer. The first one is to the abstract of a tangentially related article, written by someone more well known for his book on penis sizes. The second one is just a blurry image of unknown origin, that might or might not be relevant. – yannis Oct 18 '19 at 19:49
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    The first link supports the assertion that IQ is related to violence. I thought that was common knowledge. Leaded gasoline has been linked to both decrease in IQ and increase in violence. I won't comment on the penis book as that seems like a red herring and poisoning the well. I do wish to ask for more references on the urbanization rate map. – Chloe Oct 18 '19 at 20:26
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    @Chloe: For starters, the answer claimed that IQ "is the main factor in homicide" (emphasis mine). Which is a lot stronger claim than mere association and as far as I can tell not found in the source cited (I've looked at the full text, just in case). – Fizz Oct 23 '19 at 17:33
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    @yannis did you dismiss an article on PubMed because the author also studied the subject of penis sizes? If it offends your sensibilities, then maybe moderating questions/answers on politics is not your thing. If, on the other hand, you think that this separate area of expertise makes the article's author less serious or less rigorous, then you should probably justify that opinion given that it is published on PubMed. – grovkin Oct 23 '19 at 23:58
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    @LangLangC it is a database. It is for convenience. Its policy for including journals or articles is stated here. It includes the following sentence: "as part of the evaluation process, the National Library of Medicine (NLM) considers a journal’s scope as well as the scientific and editorial quality of the publication." Which means it's not just a database. It has fairly high quality criteria. Formality aside, it's NIH's store of peer-reviewed health-related articles FOR PETE's SAKE! Enough said. – grovkin Oct 24 '19 at 0:06
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    @grovkin Did you miss the part in my comment about the article only being tangentially related to the answer? What I do dismiss is the notion that the article actually backs up any of the bizarre pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo in the answer. – yannis Oct 24 '19 at 0:14
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    @LangLangC people regularly post links to Wikipedia as "sources". Are you suggesting that PubMed is less credible? The idea that PubMed is not credible is just bizarre. It's not set in stone, but nothing is. It higher standards than most sources which people link on this site. – grovkin Oct 24 '19 at 5:36
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    @yannis I don't see why bringing up a researcher's other interests, as a way to discredit him, is par for the course. I did see the rest of your comment. I didn't see anything wrong with the rest of that comment. So I didn't mention it. – grovkin Oct 24 '19 at 5:45
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    @LangLangC I am going to insist that an article on PubMed can be taken as credible unless and until evidence to the contrary is presented. – grovkin Oct 24 '19 at 21:41
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    @yannis imagine how odd it would be if someone referred to your post in software engineering (on SE) as something written by an author "best known for his contribution to Politics and Mythology on stackexchange". – grovkin Oct 24 '19 at 21:49
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    @grovkin That would be odd indeed, seeing how I am a top user on Software Engineering, and also a moderator until recently... – yannis Oct 25 '19 at 6:54
  • @LangLangC "Experimental evidence of dietary factors and hormone-dependent cancers" is absurd on its face. This doesn't violate the principle that PubMed articles are credible absent evidence that they are not. Absurdity is such evidence. – grovkin Oct 25 '19 at 10:32
  • @LangLangC ok, you got me. I misread the abstract. I am nowhere near as clever as you give me credit. I skimmed it quickly and it seemed like it said that fat-only diet was leading to cancers. Obviously it's more subtle than that. – grovkin Oct 26 '19 at 0:56

While I disagree with marking this answer as "spam or rude or abusive", I'd agree that it was rather a low quality answer thus some downvoting was fully justified. Moreover, as the subject and explaining factor is quite contentious, in such cases even better sourced explanation may still risking being a downvote magnet.

Not to be overtly general:

  • First link tangentially mentions issue of IQ and crime. Even if it was emotionally neutral issue like fruit flies or pea plants, you even did not bother to support it by data on what IQ is measured for different ethnic groups. Not good enough to prove your point and you already enter on collision course with people who maybe generally agree with evolution, but consider our specie intellectual capabilities to be exempt from it in last 70k years or disagree with the concept of IQ as a whole. You could have simply used Latino crime rate from the US, and extrapolate that for rest of South America.
  • Urbanisation rate - yes they have slightly higher rate than other continents, so by default would have more violence in cities, because of simply having more population there.

Both of those factors, I'd mark as possible contributors. However, it seems that you missed elephant in the room, what wrongly or correctly, some people interpreted very emotionally - some of those countries could be marked as failed states. Even if you implicitly go in to ethnic differences (genetic or culture factor) as the causal factor for observed quality of institution, then such mechanism would require extra explanation as it clearly does not work in for example Eastern Europe.

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  • It wasn't my answer. – Chloe Nov 1 '19 at 0:00

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