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In the last 12 days one user has posted 16 videos and over 50 article links that I suppose they think everyone should know about.

I would like to know how folks see the following:

  1. Is this pretty much what Agora has always been like, or is it a recent occurence
  2. Is this pretty much what Agora is for?
  3. Any thoughts on whether this enhances Agora's utility or interferes with it?
  4. Would perhaps a separate room for "user's news feed" be a better place for this activity?
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    Voting to close as needing more focus as a recent answer has indicated that this is about multiple things including links/news being posted, content that could be considered offensive, previews of links being displayed such as YouTube videos among other things.
    – Joe W
    Apr 21 at 1:27
  • the function of closing a question (i.e. what closing actually does) is to prevent anyone in the community from adding an answer. An unwanted side effect is probably to reduce visibility (thought that's hard to measure). If we disagree with an answer (e.g. one from the OP after they've accepted a different answer and then thought about it for six months) we can comment, downvote, flag, and even call the author a dictator. But preventing any and all users from every posting another answer feels somehow... dictatorial to me.
    – uhoh
    Apr 21 at 5:24
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    That is incorrect, the function of closing a question is to take action against a bad question. Once a question is fixed it can be reopened. Also I have never called you a dictator, just because I used the term dictate it does not mean that I am calling you a dictator, just that you are trying to push changes in a chat room that you rarely use and have claimed several different unrelated reasons why.
    – Joe W
    Apr 21 at 14:23

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Is this pretty much what Agora has always been like, or is it a recent occurence?

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    Strictly speaking, the room was frozen and unfrozen only twice (in 2015 and in 2019). What you described as "unfrozen several times in May 2019" were actually messages posted to prevent the room from freezing. (And certainly in many cases the links to news were posted for the same purpose - but it seemed to me slightly more reasonable to post something with an actual content - at least when I had a bit of time and I had something interesting to post.)
    – Martin
    Apr 28 at 10:01
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    BTW 2019 coincides also with this post on meta: Should we unfreeze Politics chat? (Actually, I have forgotten about theat post in the meantime.)
    – Martin
    Apr 29 at 17:21
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A counter question is what do you think that it should be for if not for users sharing what they find interesting? What is the stream of links blocking or preventing from happening?

If you look at the chat history not much ever happens in the channel and almost no one uses it. In the end that is a place for people to chat and sharing news links is just another place to chat.

If you want it to be used for other things I would suggest trying to use it for other things. I would also say that sharing links to other questions and answers isn't the purpose of chat and is just something else that it can be used for.

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In my opinion Agora or any SE chat room should not devolve into a running one-sided monologue with a very specific political leaning and a peppering of insulting terms for politicians that lean the other way. Whether they reach the threshold of offensive in the terms of service or not.

Rather than rising to the level where flagging is necessary, we should have some kind of consensus that there needs to be a basic level of decorum. It's not for late night TV monologue-like one-liners where we recycle Jimmy Kimmel's nick-names for people in the news.

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    @JoeW asking for decorum is a million miles away from "preventing someone from participating." Your comment is totally misleading. Re-read my answer pots.
    – uhoh
    Apr 20 at 15:52
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    You are suggesting that someone using chat in a way you don't like should be stopped from using chat in that way. To me that sounds like you are trying to prevent them from using chat. If you want to see other things in that chat why don't you join it and bring up other things? As it stands no other chat is being drowned out because of the activity in the channel and it is likely that without it there would be no chat at all there.
    – Joe W
    Apr 20 at 15:56
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    I suggest decorum, and calling a US representative "Klan mom" is probably outside that. Have you wondered why there are so few people making use of the room for what it's for... chat? The internet provides unlimited spaces for calling people names. SE is different than the rest of the internet.
    – uhoh
    Apr 20 at 16:00
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    I don't see why any of those links are an issue at all, as of right now the chat is either dead with nothing happening or those links being posted. As there are no other users, including yourself, using that chat room to communicate about things it shouldn't be an issue that links and videos are getting posted there. You seem to be making a big deal about something that isn't an issue for a channel that would be unused otherwise. Personally I like how those youtube links show up.
    – Joe W
    Apr 20 at 23:10
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    I donā€™t see why you get to dictate how people can participate in a chat room that you almost never participate in.
    – Joe W
    Apr 20 at 23:26
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    @JoeW "you get to dictate how people participate" is purely inflammatory, absurd language. Nothing like that has ever happened. Now you're just making stuff up. You know darn well nobody "gets to dictate" anything in Stack Exchange.
    – uhoh
    Apr 20 at 23:30
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    I am saying that your objections to what a user in a chat room that no only a handful of people participate in is attempting to dictate how it is used. If there was more people participating you would likely not see the same behavior.
    – Joe W
    Apr 20 at 23:34
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    @JoeW I don't know why you perceive my suggestion as an attempt to dictate. Changes like that can't happen without a broad consensus. You strongly defend your "right" to express your opinions, but if also I opine, I'm a dictator?
    – uhoh
    Apr 20 at 23:36
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    Your attempting to change how a chat room works that you rarely participate in and have made no attempt to discuss the issues you have with the people who do participate in the chat room.
    – Joe W
    Apr 20 at 23:38
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    @JoeW Again, the false statement and misleading language. I am not "attempting to change". I am thinking out loud about suggesting a change. Those are very different things. Disagreeing is fine. Calling me a dictator because I expressed an opinion is outlandish.
    – uhoh
    Apr 20 at 23:40
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    @JoeW "and if you don't like it suggest a change on meta." Please refer back to "The former probably needs a new question." and "Changes like that can't happen without a broad consensus." Relax, I pose no existential threat to you or to the site.
    – uhoh
    Apr 20 at 23:49
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    If you want to change how YouTube links work that is a completely different issue than what someone posts in a chat room. If you want to change it to not show a preview I would suggest making a post suggesting it and explaining why on the main meta. As it stands it seems that you donā€™t like how the chat room is being used and want to change it even though you rarely participate in it.
    – Joe W
    Apr 20 at 23:56
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    @JoeW It's the other way around; I don't participate much because I don't like how it is being used. I would love to participate in a genuine agora. However, I already know how to read the news and have no need for a room where someone else reads their personal selection from the news to me. That said, I'll start joining and participating to see what happens.
    – uhoh
    Apr 21 at 0:11
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    @JoeW because I did so here, where a lot more people are likely to see it. Participation within the room is very small, just a few folks. I wonder why most users avoid the room?
    – uhoh
    Apr 21 at 0:22
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    Many stackexchange's main chat site is absolutely dead, often requiring unfreezing from time to time by a moderator or staff member. It is not odd that the chat room is largely unused, and it is a huge inference to assume causation between the links being posted and lack of conversation. I observed in my review of the chat history that there are times when actual chat overwhelms the links, showing that when people want to talk, they'll talk. The chat aspect of stackexchange is intentionally secondary. This is a Q&A site. Many people don't even know the chat exists.
    – Jen
    Apr 21 at 4:39

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