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Moderator Phillip has deleted my somewhat provocative answer to "Why are conservatives so patriotic and hateful of the government at the same time?" for a valid but unsound reason, commenting:

I'm sorry, but labeling all conservatives as racists is offensive.

Labeling all conservatives as racists would be offensive; I'd also add it's untrue and I've no reason not to suppose that most conservatives are not racists. But I did not intend to write a universal statement, and my answer was qualified:

Extreme conservatives who also hate government...

Apparently Phillip inferred that wording implies that all conservatives are extreme ones. This seems puzzling... if one wrote:

Elbonian conservatives who also hate government...

Clearly that wouldn't imply all conservatives are citizens of Elbonia. It would refer only to that subset of conservatives who had Elbonian citizenship.

The OP Gran24 also made it clear in the question itself that it wasn't about all conservatives, it was about an interesting and vocal set of some conservatives (emphasis added):

I know many conservative Americans (some in real life, but mostly on the internet) that are very patriotic - much more than many of their liberal counterparts.

Possibly the fix would be to add some extra qualifier:

  • Those Elbonian conservatives who also hate government...

  • Some conservatives, who are both Elbonian and hate government...

  • Those wacky Elbonian conservatives who are nothing at all like your average nice conservative...


If there's any doubt as to my opinions here:

I don't believe nor would state that all US conservatives are racists. I don't believe nor would state that all US conservatives hate the government.

I believe some US conservatives are racists, or more properly that some US racists are conservatives, and some are liberal, and some are moderates, etc. I believe some US conservatives hate the government, or more properly that some US government haters are conservatives, and some are liberal, and some are moderates, etc. I believe not all government haters are racists, and not all racists are government haters.

But some people are both, and some of those are also conservative, and some are liberal etc. Racism is an important historic and political problem that still haunts the US. And when those who are both racists and government haters and conservatives look back at that history, they admire.

Moderator Phillip has deleted my somewhat provocative answer to "Why are conservatives so patriotic and hateful of the government at the same time?" for a valid reason, commenting:

I'm sorry, but labeling all conservatives as racists is offensive.

Labeling all conservatives as racists would be offensive; I'd also add it's untrue and I've no reason not to suppose that most conservatives are not racists. But I did not intend to write a universal statement, and my answer was qualified:

Extreme conservatives who also hate government...

Apparently Phillip inferred that wording implies that all conservatives are extreme ones. This seems puzzling... if one wrote:

Elbonian conservatives who also hate government...

Clearly that wouldn't imply all conservatives are citizens of Elbonia. It would refer only to that subset of conservatives who had Elbonian citizenship.

The OP Gran24 also made it clear in the question itself that it wasn't about all conservatives, it was about an interesting and vocal set of some conservatives (emphasis added):

I know many conservative Americans (some in real life, but mostly on the internet) that are very patriotic - much more than many of their liberal counterparts.

Possibly the fix would be to add some extra qualifier:

  • Those Elbonian conservatives who also hate government...

  • Some conservatives, who are both Elbonian and hate government...

  • Those wacky Elbonian conservatives who are nothing at all like your average nice conservative...


If there's any doubt as to my opinions here:

I don't believe nor would state that all US conservatives are racists. I don't believe nor would state that all US conservatives hate the government.

I believe some US conservatives are racists, or more properly that some US racists are conservatives, and some are liberal, and some are moderates, etc. I believe some US conservatives hate the government, or more properly that some US government haters are conservatives, and some are liberal, and some are moderates, etc. I believe not all government haters are racists, and not all racists are government haters.

But some people are both, and some of those are also conservative, and some are liberal etc. Racism is an important historic and political problem that still haunts the US. And when those who are both racists and government haters and conservatives look back at that history, they admire.

Moderator Phillip has deleted my somewhat provocative answer to "Why are conservatives so patriotic and hateful of the government at the same time?" for valid but unsound reason, commenting:

I'm sorry, but labeling all conservatives as racists is offensive.

Labeling all conservatives as racists would be offensive; I'd also add it's untrue and I've no reason not to suppose that most conservatives are not racists. But I did not intend to write a universal statement, and my answer was qualified:

Extreme conservatives who also hate government...

Apparently Phillip inferred that wording implies that all conservatives are extreme ones. This seems puzzling... if one wrote:

Elbonian conservatives who also hate government...

Clearly that wouldn't imply all conservatives are citizens of Elbonia. It would refer only to that subset of conservatives who had Elbonian citizenship.

The OP Gran24 also made it clear in the question itself that it wasn't about all conservatives, it was about an interesting and vocal set of some conservatives (emphasis added):

I know many conservative Americans (some in real life, but mostly on the internet) that are very patriotic - much more than many of their liberal counterparts.

Possibly the fix would be to add some extra qualifier:

  • Those Elbonian conservatives who also hate government...

  • Some conservatives, who are both Elbonian and hate government...

  • Those wacky Elbonian conservatives who are nothing at all like your average nice conservative...


If there's any doubt as to my opinions here:

I don't believe nor would state that all US conservatives are racists. I don't believe nor would state that all US conservatives hate the government.

I believe some US conservatives are racists, or more properly that some US racists are conservatives, and some are liberal, and some are moderates, etc. I believe some US conservatives hate the government, or more properly that some US government haters are conservatives, and some are liberal, and some are moderates, etc. I believe not all government haters are racists, and not all racists are government haters.

But some people are both, and some of those are also conservative, and some are liberal etc. Racism is an important historic and political problem that still haunts the US. And when those who are both racists and government haters and conservatives look back at that history, they admire.

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Answer deleted for an inferred "all" that was really an implied "some"

Moderator Phillip has deleted my somewhat provocative answer to "Why are conservatives so patriotic and hateful of the government at the same time?" for a valid reason, commenting:

I'm sorry, but labeling all conservatives as racists is offensive.

Labeling all conservatives as racists would be offensive; I'd also add it's untrue and I've no reason not to suppose that most conservatives are not racists. But I did not intend to write a universal statement, and my answer was qualified:

Extreme conservatives who also hate government...

Apparently Phillip inferred that wording implies that all conservatives are extreme ones. This seems puzzling... if one wrote:

Elbonian conservatives who also hate government...

Clearly that wouldn't imply all conservatives are citizens of Elbonia. It would refer only to that subset of conservatives who had Elbonian citizenship.

The OP Gran24 also made it clear in the question itself that it wasn't about all conservatives, it was about an interesting and vocal set of some conservatives (emphasis added):

I know many conservative Americans (some in real life, but mostly on the internet) that are very patriotic - much more than many of their liberal counterparts.

Possibly the fix would be to add some extra qualifier:

  • Those Elbonian conservatives who also hate government...

  • Some conservatives, who are both Elbonian and hate government...

  • Those wacky Elbonian conservatives who are nothing at all like your average nice conservative...


If there's any doubt as to my opinions here:

I don't believe nor would state that all US conservatives are racists. I don't believe nor would state that all US conservatives hate the government.

I believe some US conservatives are racists, or more properly that some US racists are conservatives, and some are liberal, and some are moderates, etc. I believe some US conservatives hate the government, or more properly that some US government haters are conservatives, and some are liberal, and some are moderates, etc. I believe not all government haters are racists, and not all racists are government haters.

But some people are both, and some of those are also conservative, and some are liberal etc. Racism is an important historic and political problem that still haunts the US. And when those who are both racists and government haters and conservatives look back at that history, they admire.